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Rufus
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:44 am

Nice work guys :boing:
my first walkthrough was nearly without complication ...but when Jorden goes of to Gorben's genarel store ,you get trapt if you stand inside of the room after the conversation.. the door is locked somehow

anyway , your gravestone joke ... epic as hell :lolz: *nice rhyme*

keep it going :luv:

Whatever
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 3:38 pm

At my first playthrough i was stuck, because I thought that the body of yhe boy in the graveyard was needed for something, so i dug it up and walked with it to the doctor. Then put it on the shelf, since it was heavy. The doctor didn't mind. ^^
Great work, but a bit linear, since I coudn't help Matatu. Hope the final version will have more choices.


Edit: Aaaand with another non-stupid character the body was needed. I wonder if it's randomized, or if it depends on stats. Now Jordan wasn't corrupted, and his desk was empty, but when he closed the door i was stuck inside, and i had to reload, and run outside when the door closed. Looks like a bug.


Edit#2: Ok, now I'm impressed. When I took a pre - defined Teid i could repair the radio, and - for whatever reason - listen to the Left Eye Lynch story. I syill would prefer more freedom in choosing the sites of the conflict, but I'm genuienly impresssed wiyh how much the skills change gameplay. After fitst playthrough I'd give the demo 7/10, but now it's much closer to 9/10. Great job.

AgeOfDecadence
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:25 pm

On demo installation, I believe it needs to be specified that to play it you need to have the original master.dat and critter.dat F2 files.

UPD: or, I'm not sure what's wrong, when I try to start the demo it says "Couldn't find/load text fonts." I'm using WinXP SP3.

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ardent
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:43 pm

Rufus wrote:Nice work guys :boing:
Many thanks!
my first walkthrough was nearly without complication ...but when Jorden goes of to Gorben's genarel store ,you get trapt if you stand inside of the room after the conversation.. the door is locked somehow anyway
The door can be picked if it gets locked, so it's not like this is a critical bug, but a bug indeed.
Whatever wrote:At my first playthrough i was stuck, because I thought that the body of yhe boy in the graveyard was needed for something, so i dug it up and walked with it to the doctor. Then put it on the shelf, since it was heavy. The doctor didn't mind. ^^
Hmm, we might look into that, but that's quite a lot of scripting for not so much gain.
Great work, but a bit linear, since I coudn't help Matatu. Hope the final version will have more choices.
There won't be any major changes to Elko. We were pondering the option to enable you to work for Matatu, in fact there's some locked dialogue with Cassidy about that (I believe you can still find it in the dialogue file), but we finally chose against it. Here are the reasons for that, as explained by Jinx who designed and wrote all dialogue for this area:
Jinx wrote:Okay, while working through the EvilDude Main Quest Path (I've done a first draft concept of the quest design as well as added dialogue to several NPC's) I've come to the conclusion that the EvilDude Path should probably be dropped. Why?

1. There is no clear motive for Matatu to want Dude as apart of his plans. Dude is too great a risk all things considered, even if Dude would act extremely evil and greedy (working against his/her childhood friends and role models in exchange for money, etc).
2. There really isn't any believable way to stop Dude from turning on Matatu instantly when he/she gets enough proof to have the Council pin Matatu (which in all honesty, is fully acceptable as a means to roleplay), which would result in Dude being able to 'shortcut' to the end on the Elko main quests, breaking the xp-buildup and quest progression in Elko. I initially began constructing the quests so that goons working for Matatu would simply hinder Dude from reaching any 'good' authority figures with possible proof, but in practice this becomes a very forced sort of gameplay.

An alternative would be to let Dude work for Matatu on a very, very basic level. As in: Dude can get a quest or two from Matatu, but Dude gets little to no info on how it all adds up in the bigger picture... But then again, said quests wouldn't be bad karma as Dude doesn't know or even get proper hints about the nature of the quests (Matatu, as stated, wouldn't trust Dude with delicate info or tasks because Dude isn't brainswashed by him in the manner that, say, Vrax is).

So the problem is: the main antagonist of the area is Matatu, who despises the Elkans, of whom Dude is a part. Because Dude is already established as part of the Elkan Culture instead of the Arroyan Culture Matatu wouldn't trust to use Dude as one of his goons. And as the already established Main Quests are based upon Matatu's established personality and motives, changing Matatu, even the slightest, would most likely fuzz-up the other quests.

So yeah, I'm for dropping the Evil Dude quest path in Elko entirely, and perhaps work in more bad karma options in the already established quests, without involving Matatu and his schemes further.
Edit: Aaaand with another non-stupid character the body was needed. I wonder if it's randomized, or if it depends on stats. Now Jordan wasn't corrupted, and his desk was empty


It depends on your stats.
Edit#2: Ok, now I'm impressed. When I took a pre - defined Teid i could repair the radio, and - for whatever reason - listen to the Left Eye Lynch story. I syill would prefer more freedom in choosing the sites of the conflict, but I'm genuienly impresssed wiyh how much the skills change gameplay. After fitst playthrough I'd give the demo 7/10, but now it's much closer to 9/10. Great job.
Yes, skills, attributes and gender change gameplay a lot :smil2: In order to see everything, you should play at least 4 or 5 times - with male and female intelligent characters and different orientations (thief, diplomat, fighter), as well as one playthrough with a male dumb dude and one with a female dumb dude.
AgeOfDecadence wrote:I'm not sure what's wrong, when I try to start the demo it says "Couldn't find/load text fonts."
Something's wrong with your fallout2.cfg in the MutantsRising folder. In the file, there are lines pointing to master.dat and critter.dat. If the path is wrong, you'll get the "text fonts" error. You should have the mod installed in your Fallout 2 installation directory (so if you have Fallout 2 installed in, say... C:\Games\Fallout2, then your MR folder should be located in C:\Games\Fallout2\MutantsRising) and it should work without problems, provided that the files master.dat and critter.dat are in your Fallout 2 folder. If you do have it installed like this and it still doesn't work, check out this thread to see what needs to be done. If you still have problems, post us the contents of your fallout2.cfg, along with a pic of the folder tree. We'll try to help.
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Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:47 am

It's also possible that you are using a non-english Fallout 2 version (like french or german). In this case, you must open the Fallout2.cfg and change "language=english" to your langugage (i.e. german). Also you'll have to rename the "english" folder in fo2/data/text/ to your language version.

AgeOfDecadence
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Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:08 pm

ardent wrote:
AgeOfDecadence wrote:I'm not sure what's wrong, when I try to start the demo it says "Couldn't find/load text fonts."
I managed to start the game, thanks. The problem was that I put the master.dat and critters.dat files to a wrong location.

superboyy
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Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:17 am

I just finished it. My only thought: Shut up and take my money!

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ardent
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:35 am

superboyy wrote:I just finished it. My only thought: Shut up and take my money!
Heh, thanks! :lolz:
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coke
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:42 pm

Guysss :whoa: ...........
This......is....somenthing crazy....got no words to say - !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!A WHOLE NEW GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A really strong scenario, a BIG, A HUGE, ENORMOUS INTRIGUE! Starting from Cass to Kirki) I really hope THIS PROJECT WILL BE FINISHED!
Thank you so much, i've got my brain exploaded :whoa:
ps sorry for my english - russian native)

hahahaweee
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:27 am

couple of issues i saw... someone mentioned getting stuck in Jorden's room but I had a different problem. I followed him in and he instantly went hostile and into combat. Also, there is a missing art section right after the first stairs. The last thing is more personal preference but I feel like the soundtrack needs a little something and when it keeps getting reset that intro isn't the sort of thing I like hearing over and over. Otherwise it looks and plays damn well

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Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:30 am

hahahaweee wrote:couple of issues i saw... someone mentioned getting stuck in Jorden's room but I had a different problem. I followed him in and he instantly went hostile and into combat.
Can you describe the situation in more detail? Jordan is supposed to go hostile on you in certain situations. It may need fine-tuning, but I need to know what exactly happens.
Also, there is a missing art section right after the first stairs.
That sounds like a pre-patch bug. A screenshot please? (F12 when in game)

Thanks for feedback. Other than the bugs and an annoying intro, any impressions on the story and all? :nin:
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sov_ddb
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Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:42 pm

Just finished the Demo.
Noticed only one serious problem. Game crashes, when you're trying to do a quickload during combat.
My system is Windows 7 x64. Demo version is 1.01.
By the way, are there a chance to reach the Dog trainer?

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Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:16 pm

sov_ddb wrote:Noticed only one serious problem. Game crashes, when you're trying to do a quickload during combat.
My system is Windows 7 x64. Demo version is 1.01.
This is very unlikely to be an MR bug. Were you suffering from bleeding wounds at the time you did the quicksave perchance? Does it happen every time you're doing a quickload during combat? Were you quicksaving in combat?
By the way, are there a chance to reach the Dog trainer?
Nope. He's there just for show. Even if you cheated to get to him (e.g. remove a portion of the wall in the mapper), he would only float the same messages generic Elkans do.
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Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:48 am

I think Timeslip mentioned that saving during combat will conflict with Sfall, correct me if I'm wrong (she might have tinkered with Sfall to prevent quick saving during combat). Anyway people should not save during combat, bad things can happen. I'm not surprised people don't bother reading the "readme" file before playing, they're too eager to jump in and the adventure. :whiu:

sov_ddb
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Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:04 pm

.Pixote. wrote:I think Timeslip mentioned that saving during combat will conflict with Sfall, correct me if I'm wrong (she might have tinkered with Sfall to prevent quick saving during combat)... :whiu:
Yeah, you're right, .Pixote. People never read manuals. :whiu:

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